it's time to boycott the nfl

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AlphaWarhawk said:
You think that's all there is to it? This is an act of kneeling to social justice, and going "::dolphin noise:: YOU PRESIDENT" in the most glaringly obvious way possible. And if you're one of those people who advocates killing cops as well (looking at you, BLM and Antifa), I have no respect for you.

To quote Kevin, only in America could you throw venom at the country while getting paid billions of tax-exempt dollars in the exact same process.
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well, corrupted cops killing innocent black people is no good either.
 
*looks at topic*

Honestly, nobody should lose their cool on the internet, even on much more contentious topics than this. The internet is an asynchronous communication platform – no one is obligated to respond to anything. Let's just remember to avoid personal attacks, and stick to the debate of ideas.
 
AlphaWarhawk said:
https://twitter.com/YourPalRags/status/912345521607540736

There's many legitimate ways to protest without flipping off the country. Disrespecting one of our only remaining symbols of unity isn't one.
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well I'm not saying about flipping off but if the country doesn't respect them, then the country doesn't deserve their respect either. I'm not saying people should use violence to protest this, no but I'm not gonna respect the country if the country thinks i'm bad just how I look.
 
Master WhoBruh said:
well I'm not saying about flipping off but if the country doesn't respect them, then the country doesn't deserve their respect either. I'm not saying people should use violence to protest this, no but I'm not gonna respect the country if the country thinks i'm bad just how I look.
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The way I see it, the only way you could believe the country "doesn't respect you" is if you pay way too much attention to the media. Maybe it's not the case for you, being in Turkey and all, but you can literally walk outside and see how well people are still getting along with each other.

I know that sounds like I'm pretending the problem doesn't exist, but I honestly don't buy into this notion of us being a country "divided more than ever."
 
AlphaWarhawk said:
The way I see it, the only way you could believe the country "doesn't respect you" is if you pay way too much attention to the media. Maybe it's not the case for you, being in Turkey and all, but you can literally walk outside and see how well people are still getting along with each other.

I know that sounds like I'm pretending the problem doesn't exist, but I honestly don't buy into this notion of us being a country "divided more than ever."
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oh trust me, our media is sometimes crap and it doesn't always show the ugly truth about our country and president. Yes, media isn't always right, I'm aware of that but people still experience discrimination and it's not like every discrimination story is fake and made up by the media. I personally believe that usa is a bit divided right now because the right alley existed not a while ago, people lost their crap when trump was elected (some took it violently), there was shootings at a gay bar a year ago iirc etc. That's all the examples I can think of. Even with all that, USA is still standing, so idk maybe there's still hope for others.
 
Master WhoBruh said:
people still experience discrimination and it's not like every discrimination story is fake and made up by the media. I personally believe that usa is a bit divided right now because the right alley existed not a while ago, people lost their crap when trump was elected (some took it violently), there was shootings at a gay bar a year ago iirc etc. That's all the examples I can think of. Even with all that, USA is still standing, so idk maybe there's still hope for others.
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I'm not saying there's no discrimination. I'm saying that it's being portrayed as far more widespread than it really is. Seeing as I'm engaged in a Twitter offensive with the lovely OP of this thread, I know we aren't exactly perfect.

As for the topic at hand, no successful protest in US history involved screwing with the flag and/or national anthem. None. If anything, that's a fast lane to dividing people up even more, because like I said, it's one of our primary symbols of unity. To use it as the basis for defiance is a slippery slope.
 
I love how I've been swamped by work and want nothing but to be able to have time to just watch a darn Steelers game meanwhile there are people boycotting the entire NFL because they dislike that they don't share opinions with the managers of the entire company.

basically my opinion is why give up something over something as little as this??
 
AlphaWarhawk said:
https://twitter.com/YourPalRags/status/912345521607540736

There's many legitimate ways to protest without flipping off the country. Disrespecting one of our only remaining symbols of unity isn't one.
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whatever other ways of protest you're thinking of don't work

people chastise BLM for being violent and rioting. Some people got the message. When certain sects just sat in the middle of the road and peacefully protested, that was obstruction. Talking about it on the internet doesn't work. Calling your (most likely white and conservative) senator isn't going to see any notable change within the next three decades. Body cameras have made problems more visible, but if Philando Castle is any indication, it hasn't helped anything. So after literally tens of decades of being the butt of some national cosmic joke and protesting in vain, a guy decides to just sit down because he feels like he isn't respected by the country or it's president. This hurts no one. And please do not pull out the "rich people shouldn't be making this stance" because I want you to tell me the last time a poor person's opinion got national coverage.

Facts: Minorities, primarily blacks, are disadvantaged and unfairly targeted. They keep killing us. I'm not sure how else you want us to protest that.

like what else is there to do
 
Jibbix said:
whatever other ways of protest you're thinking of don't work

people chastise BLM for being violent and rioting. Some people got the message. When certain sects just sat in the middle of the road and peacefully protested, that was obstruction. Talking about it on the internet doesn't work. Calling your (most likely white and conservative) senator isn't going to see any notable change within the next three decades. Body cameras have made problems more visible, but if Philando Castle is any indication, it hasn't helped anything. So after literally tens of decades of being the butt of some national cosmic joke and protesting in vain, a guy decides to just sit down because he feels like he isn't respected by the country or it's president. This hurts no one. And please do not pull out the "rich people shouldn't be making this stance" because I want you to tell me the last time a poor person's opinion got national coverage.

Facts: Minorities, primarily blacks, are disadvantaged and unfairly targeted. They keep killing us. I'm not sure how else you want us to protest that.

like what else is there to do
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to swallow my pride on this one. Part of me says that violence and/or other forms of disrespect have never been successful in protests, and I still stand by this (just look at how well Ferguson and Charlottesville are doing). The other is frustrated that we've gotten to a point where doing so is necessary...but then again, it's exactly what I do on Twitter. Guess I'm not all that different from the people I claim to oppose, huh.

As for the "rich people taking this stance" thing, I'm referring to the fact that they just had to use nationally-broadcasted football games (which, until now, were also a lesser part of our national unity) as a pedestal to promote politics. Again, only in America could you get away with such a thing. It annoys me to a degree, but I digress.


Again, this infiltration of politics into practically everything may have a short-term benefit, but I feel like it's going to make things worse in the long run via enforcing division. I've seen very little more than additional fuel on the proverbial fire come out of this covfefe.
 
oh great let me quote myself

"Trump has a right to say that they're sons of ::dolphin noise::es, but the NFL players have a right to not stand. It might not be right, but still. It's dishonorable, yes, but they have a right."
 
The best part about this all isn't our president's questionable time spending or the unhinged racism. the best is the fact that we don't even need to do the anthem for our regular leagues like how the rest of the world typically only plays theirs for international games! Let's also ignore that the NFL only cared to put it on beginning in 2009 since they were paid to.

Even when not going over things like Letter From a Birmingham Jail politically the NFL still has its' lack of morals for the sake of money here too, and I bet the only reason they didn't fine everyone was because everyone did it and that'd cause more uproar, even if they hadn't fined Kaep before they certainly would to something like this if they could! There are many things to actually question the NFL on like what spongedude stated and more and this whole debacle is just nowhere near those levels of me being able to say "I like the play when the officiating is good and the games are close like any sane person, but I really loathe the NFL as a business" like how most people I know feel.

KarateSponge said:
oh great let me quote myself

"Trump has a right to say that they're sons of ::dolphin noise::es, but the NFL players have a right to not stand. It might not be right, but still. It's dishonorable, yes, but they have a right."
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He has the right but he has other, far more important procedures to go over right now like the Puerto Rico crisis, this screams incompetency of the highest possible regards and if it isn't a coverup made by PR for the 21 hacked states I'll be shocked.
 
KarateSponge said:
oh great let me quote myself

"Trump has a right to say that they're sons of ::dolphin noise::es, but the NFL players have a right to not stand. It might not be right, but still. It's dishonorable, yes, but they have a right."
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I agree, but would add to that and say that as a business, NFL has a right to fire those players if them protesting harms ratings and therefore harms their business, as it looks like it is doing.
 
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