Am I the only one who thinks this?

Hans

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I hope I don't get people mad by saying this, but for some reason, Spongebob and Sandy never really stood out to me as awesome characters. I like them, but I would take Patrick, Squidward, Mr. Krabs, Plankton, and Gary over them.

They never really stood out to me, but I do like them.
Does anyone else think this?
 
Sandy is a Mary Sue and SpongeBob is a Gary Stu when compared to other characters. Generally, I would find more flawless characters as much less inviting than characters with many flaws. Especially in rapid-fire comedy shows, usually the funniest guy is filled with many funny moments-generating flaws.

So I can see where you'r going at.


Realisation note : The fact that both characters are more perfect comparatively is probably the reason why people ship them so much.
 
SpongeRoadie UK said:
Sandy is a Mary Sue and SpongeBob is a Gary Stu when compared to other characters. Generally, I would find more flawless characters as much less inviting than characters with many flaws. Especially in rapid-fire comedy shows, usually the funniest guy is filled with many funny moments-generating flaws.

So I can see where you'r going at.


Realisation note : The fact that both characters are more perfect comparatively is probably the reason why people ship them so much.
It's just that I always felt characters with more flaws are always more interesting than perfect ones, since their flaws tend to be their renowned traits.
 
SpongeRoadie UK said:
Sandy is a Mary Sue and SpongeBob is a Gary Stu when compared to other characters. Generally, I would find more flawless characters as much less inviting than characters with many flaws. Especially in rapid-fire comedy shows, usually the funniest guy is filled with many funny moments-generating flaws.

So I can see where you'r going at.


Realisation note : The fact that both characters are more perfect comparatively is probably the reason why people ship them so much.
Spongebob is flawless?


You can say that again.
 
SpongeRoadie UK said:
Sandy is a Mary Sue and SpongeBob is a Gary Stu when compared to other characters. Generally, I would find more flawless characters as much less inviting than characters with many flaws. Especially in rapid-fire comedy shows, usually the funniest guy is filled with many funny moments-generating flaws.

So I can see where you'r going at.


Realisation note : The fact that both characters are more perfect comparatively is probably the reason why people ship them so much.
I've talked about how Sandy doesn't really have any personal problems before ... but SpongeBob? He is definitely not flawless, and I'd argue that's a huge part of his charm. He gullible, clumsy, optimistic to a fault and his naivety gets him into all kinds of trouble. That's the premise of the show, isn't it?
 
Ohad said:
Spongebob is flawless?


You can say that again.
DadMom AngryPants said:
I've talked about how Sandy doesn't really have any personal problems before ... but SpongeBob? He is definitely not flawless, and I'd argue that's a huge part of his charm. He gullible, clumsy, optimistic to a fault and his naivety gets him into all kinds of trouble. That's the premise of the show, isn't it?
Well I did said, he's more perfect comparatively.

Krabs is a cheap old crab who owns a restaurant, Patrick is a jobless idiot that doesn't wear a shirt, Squidward is a pantless, angry old fuddly duddly who sometimes act like an arse, Gary is a seemingly grumpy pet sea snail who meows.

SpongeBob is a happy-go-lucky, charming, optimistic sea sponge who is a talented fry cook. He's definitely not flawless as a character, but his personality is certainly a lot more Mary Sue on paper than Squid, Pat, Gary or Krabs.

I should probably emphasize on his personality rather than his overall quality as a person. :P
 
Hans said:
I hope I don't get people mad by saying this, but for some reason, Spongebob and Sandy never really stood out to me as awesome characters. I like them, but I would take Patrick, Squidward, Mr. Krabs, Plankton, and Gary over them.

They never really stood out to me, but I do like them.
Does anyone else think this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA560pf3Up4
 
I didn't really ever get that feeling about SB or Sandy, myself. She would need to make a lot more appearances in the series, and not have her decidedly own hobbies that don't focus solely on the main characters... and she isn't an annoying character.

But, of course, my definition/understanding of "Mary/Gary Sue", is... er, in the context of fanfic/fancomics and such, where they're an author-insert type character with no background and seems to only be in the story for one sole purpose. So, generally something I have to watch out NOT to do if I come up with any stories which include original characters.

Sandy is also a 'flawed' character - she has a temper, for example; She isn't always wrapped up in stories in every plot; she isn't just there to be a love-interest for SB, or any other character. She also interacts with background characters - notably Larry - and does her own things; and, of course, has a bit of a background (not sure how developed it is, but she does HAVE one: A family, a legit reason to even be in Bikini Bottom in the first place).

SpongeBob, well, he's the star of the series, and he has lots of great quirks, great moments. I can see why one might call him a Gary Sue type, specifically in that he is so cheery and tries to get along with everyone and do his best to be 'perfect', but he's way more fleshed out than just a Gary Sue.. he's not that 'typical', at least, IMO.
Someone mentioned his inability to get his boating license; but it also needs to be mentioned that he seems entirely oblivious to the fact that Squidward doesn't appreciate him - seems to even have an odd quirk FOR trying to annoy him; but he's also quite sincere and does seem to honestly consider Squidward to be a star; idolizing him.

I mean, I can see how anyone might feel that way about those two characters, but I really don't share the opinion. Larry's more of a Gary Sue than SB or Sandy. Pearl could also be considered as such, I guess. They're both pretty shallow characters, not well defined and quite predictable. Squilliam could also be a good example of a Gary Sue, as we know nothing about him really, the only role he playes in pretty much all but one episode is to play off Squidward and one-up him (and to show just how incredibly shallow the Bikini Bottomites are in general - I mean, seriously, Squilliam's considered gorgeous but Squidward isn't even a LITTLE bit?). The only episode I can think of where he isn't just fullfilling his sole role, is in 'Back to the Past' - and that's only for like 2 seconds. Don't get me wrong, I love, love, love Squilliam - I think that's been more than a little obvious by now - but I can also critisize his role in the series. He is, sadly, not very fleshed out - and is sort of like more of an 'evil twin/clone' type to Squidward.

But, as said, those are just my opinions - and no one needs to share them and I certainly wouldn't want to try and tell anyone they're wrong. It's also always fascinating to hear other people's thoughts and opinions about such things. It's nice to ponder over them.
 
I like SpongeBob as a character but what I like most is his interactions with other characters than the character in itself. If that makes any sense.
 
spacepirate said:
I like SpongeBob as a character but what I like most is his interactions with other characters than the character in itself. If that makes any sense.
That makes a lot of sense. He plays off the others so well.
 
But, of course, my definition/understanding of "Mary/Gary Sue", is... er, in the context of fanfic/fancomics and such, where they're an author-insert type character with no background and seems to only be in the story for one sole purpose. So, generally something I have to watch out NOT to do if I come up with any stories which include original characters.
As far as I know, Mary/Marty/Gary Sue is used to refers any overly perfect character. Fanmade characters usually falls into this but original character can sometimes become this too. I would post a tvtropes link if I'm on dekstop.

Also, I agree with your opinion. SpongeBob and Sandy aren't perfect character, they have some flaws.
 
I've often felt like I'm the only user on here who actually lists SpongeBob himself as my favorite character, especially with all these Squidward worshippers here (come at me Prez :p) ... so yeah, that's another log to add to the conversation hearth.
 
The terms Mary Sue and Gary Stu are thrown around so often, especially the former, and usually incorrectly, so I have a hard time taking people seriously when they use it. Those words have lost all meaning for me.

I guess I can see where people are coming from, but I'm with Squidina. The actual definition of a Mary Sue/Gary Stu is that it's an obvious self-insert of the writer(s) who's presented as overly perfect to the point of being uninteresting, as a form of wish-fulfillment to the writer(s). Neither SpongeBob nor Sandy fit that definition if you ask me. They're not self-inserts, they're comparatively closer to perfect than other characters but that doesn't mean they are perfect, and they're not uninteresting.
 
RedSoxFan274 said:
I've often felt like I'm the only user on here who actually lists SpongeBob himself as my favorite character, especially with all these Squidward worshippers here (come at me Prez :P) ... so yeah, that's another log to add to the conversation hearth.
Pre-Movie Spongebob is my favorite too. Post-Movie Spongebob occasionally as well.
 
RedSoxFan274 said:
I've often felt like I'm the only user on here who actually lists SpongeBob himself as my favorite character, especially with all these Squidward worshippers here (come at me Prez :P) ... so yeah, that's another log to add to the conversation hearth.
SpongeBob is my favorite character as well.
 
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