Really, are we too harsh on post-movie haters?

Before I talk, can you guys PLEASE not flame on here? I want this to be a constructive discussion.

Now I know that some post-movie haters are 'poo-poo heads' and they give no construction back-up or reasoning. I think everyone knows this. But here's my question: are we too harsh on ALL post-movie haters? Let me bring up a famous post-movie hater: Mr. Enter. I disagree with a lot of his opinions. I disagree with him saying that there are more bad post-movie episodes than good. In fact, about a year ago, I would rant on him being 'pessimistic' and not giving new episodes a chance. It was until I saw this on his DeviantArt page. Then, I realized I made a mistake. I realized that he has actually watched many post-movie episodes ad he likes a lot of them!

The reality check came. I honestly now think we can be too harsh on post-movie haters, even the ones who can realize the good ones and have good reasons like MoBros;Mr. Enter; etc. Now, I just find it illogical to hate someone who doesn't like post-movie even when they have good reasons for it like the people I just listed.

What are your thoughts? And once again, no flaming.

I respect anyone who can constructively give an opinion and provide examples and stuff as to why they think that way, even if I disagree with them and it can pretty much go either way. While I think Mr. Enter could do without mentioning SpongeBob as much in certain reviews, he does fall into that category of people who can provide reasons as to why they consider a particular episode good or bad and he does it in a really entertaining and funny way. I can even accept why he doesn't like "Breath of Fresh Squidward" even though I still like that episode for the most part.

I think I try to be in the middle in general with the show and the newer episodes, praising the ones that I really like even if not everyone here likes a particular episode per se and giving all my least favorites the criticism they deserve. In terms of animation, I've also been critical of that when I need to.

No. They tend to give unjustified opinions based on seeing roughly 2 episodes.

homestuck said:

No. They tend to give unjustified opinions based on seeing roughly 2 episodes.

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But what if, like Mr. Enter, they have seen many episodes and have constructive opinions?

Halibut said:

But what if, like Mr. Enter, they have seen many episodes and have constructive opinions?

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Most people don't hate on him because of that. However, there are plenty of fangirls on this site of his who blindly follow everything he says which isn't a good thing. I also disagree with like 1/2 of his SB atrocities :P

homestuck said:

Most people don't hate on him because of that. However, there are plenty of fangirls on this site of his who blindly follow everything he says which isn't a good thing. I also disagree with like 1/2 of his SB atrocities :P

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1) It's the impressionable fangirls whose problem there is.
2) Just because you disagree doesn't mean you need to make fun of his opinions.

Halibut said:

1) It's the impressionable fangirls whose problem there is.
2) Just because you disagree doesn't mean you need to make fun of his opinions.

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There's a difference between disagreeing and making fun of.

To me, the problem with all the post-movie haters is they don't know what they are basing their opinion on. You're LUCKY if you find someone who's opinions are actually credible in their dislike of the modern show because half the time they're just like "spongebob is gey now they ruined the show".

Mr. Enter and MoBros are hardly well thought out Post-Movie haters. There's a way to be constructive, but most Post-Movie haters have generally invalid reasons for hating and generalize the whole Post-Movie era as bad. MoBros and Enter don't do that, but MoBros had some incredibly hamfisted reasons for disliking episodes, and if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Mr. Enter the guy who went on a five minute rant about how stupid Casey Alexander was and how he should be kicked out the animation industry? Yeah. Not the best example.

BubbleBud is pretty much the only actually intelligent and level headed Post-Hater that I've ever met.

Mobros didn't really know what he was talking about. Half of his complaints were just "this episode is boring and stuff" and he didn't even put episodes like OCM or APFG on there.

My opinion is that if you have to ask, then the answer is probably "yes".

While I totally don't get the whole concept of what makes pre-movie or post movie SB better than the other, I do understand that others have their opinions.

And I just don't let it bug me. It's okay. I avoid some topics about the worst episodes, because I just know that I probably don't share the same opinion and the poster has their reasons.

Jibbix said:

Mr. Enter and MoBros are hardly well thought out Post-Movie haters. There's a way to be constructive, but most Post-Movie haters have generally invalid reasons for hating and generalize the whole Post-Movie era as bad. MoBros and Enter don't do that, but MoBros had some incredibly hamfisted reasons for disliking episodes, and if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Mr. Enter the guy who went on a five minute rant about how stupid Casey Alexander was and how he should be kicked out the animation industry? Yeah. Not the best example.

BubbleBud is pretty much the only actually intelligent and level headed Post-Hater that I've ever met.

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THANK YOU

I knew there was a reason why I didn't like Mr. Enter's videos, and this is it. He harbors too much hatred for a freakin' children's show (like it or not, that's what SpongeBob is, people) for me to find enjoyment in his reviews, even if they do make valid criticisms against post-movie episodes.

Personally, I think post-movie haters have all the right to dislike that era of SpongeBob as that is their opinion, and they have the right to have that opinion. Unfortunately, most of them are quite irascible when it comes to post-movie with most of them not even having good reasons for hating it, like Jibbix mentioned. As in Mr. Enter's case, it is foolish for these people to be so angered by a children's program, and it's actually kind of sad. Yes, you don't think SpongeBob is good anymore and you're disappointed at what it's become. Fine. If you're that mad about it, then take a couple of chill pills and watch something that you actually enjoy instead of fixating on something that you hate. What's the point of doing the opposite?

If the post-movie "hater' has reasonable criticisms against post-movie and can accept the show's prime has passed while recognizing that there are other TV shows he or she can watch for their pleasure, then yes, we might be too harsh on them. If the hater is all "OMG SPONGEBOB SUX NOW ALL THE NEW WRITERS CAN GO DIE IN A HOLE", then the answer still isn't flames and insults. There's no point, as the hater is clearly too immature to listen to reason and will have to take it upon themselves to let such things go.

The post movie haters that ticked me off are people like this:

"ur yeah spongbob sucks cause its not season 1-3 paul tibbitt ruined everything stephen should come back and make the episodes even if i haven't watched a single post movie episode but everyone says it stinks so it must"

But, I learned to just ignore them, and as long as they're constructive and things like that, I don't mind that much.

Man, that was bad wording, but what do you except from me?

Perhaps it is people like you who are the problem...perhaps.

SBManiac!!!!!! said:

I knew there was a reason why I didn't like Mr. Enter's videos, and this is it. He harbors too much hatred for a freakin' children's show (like it or not, that's what SpongeBob is, people) for me to find enjoyment in his reviews, even if they do make valid criticisms against post-movie episodes.

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i thought he did that for comedic effect.

goodmorning said:

i thought he did that for comedic effect.

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I kind of thought so, too, until one of his fans told me:

Creepy_Chris
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I don't really think he's going for the whole NC thing, since his jokes are kind of few and far between from what I've seen. He seems to review these cartoons focusing primarily on criticism rather than trying to be funny.

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Since his fans would know him better than I would, having only seen a few of his videos, I sort of took what he said as fact. Even if it is for comedic effect, I still don't find any of it funny.

It's hard to be nice to the post-movie haters. They just push post-movie defenders' buttons, and call them morons or negative names, just because they like something that they don't like. And, what's with people saying they want the writers to get fired, and blame Paul Tibbit for no apparent reason? That's what gets me annoyed. Also, they use the same excuses as to why SpongeBob went downhill: "His voice changed", "the writers are 'running out of ideas'", "the original creator Stephen Hillenburg got 'fired'", "the animation is annoying and bad" (it really isn't), and whatever. They keep on thinking they're all cool just because they were born in the 80s/90s, and grew up with "all the good stuff". They really tick me off, especially when they are in a little fantasy land where they think EVERYONE should hate the post-movie era of SpongeBob, or that EVERYONE "has" to know that SpongeBob went dowhill. They don't have to mention it every ::dolphin noise::ing minute! >___<

I haven't been here for very long but I did read through the original thread about SB haters that was locked and wanted to give my two cents.

I only have a problem with post-movie haters if they get way too passionate in their hatred and develop this weird vendetta against the writers. Granted, from what I've seen recently, there have been some episodes that did make me angry but I would never lash out at the writers for it since it may just be that I'm letting my own emotions get the better of me and some episodes, like OCM, are hard for me to look at subjectively due to some personal things that happened in my own life. I'm mixed towards Mr Enter since he has made some points I agree with in his reviews and some of the thing's he's gotten angry at I can understand. I pretty much agree with a lot of what he said in his OCM review (except for some of the things he said about Karen, Spongeob (the character), and the writers being terrible people). However, I find it hard to get into his videos because he sometimes gets incredibly angry over silly little things. I remember watching his Pet Sitter Pat review (an episode I still have yet to see) and was just amazed that he could get so angry over a cartoon character of all things! Yes I get you think Patrick is acting too stupid for his own good but do you really have to stress yourself out so much over a cartoon? And of course there was the bit in his Stuck In The Wringer Review (which I agreed with for the most part) when he said the writer's sold their souls to get their jobs and that no one else will ever hire them because they're horrible people. I don't mind it when reviewer's get angry but his anger is so believable to the point that I find his videos hard to watch at times because it feels like he's taking the show WAY TOO SERIOUSLY (no show is worth getting THAT angry over)

If someone just says "everything after the movie is awful" then yeah they are being a bit too one minded. I personally find the show to be much lower quality after season 4 but I don't hate everything just because of that. In my opinion after season 4 the show just became you average children show and seemed very dumbed down and it feels like it's just catering to a younger audience, so most of the episodes are just kinda "meh" and we have the occasional awful episode. As long as someone can really back up what they are saying without just spouting "Paul Tibbit sux" or "his voice changed!!" then I don't really mind but either way I feel both sides pain.

I'm neutral. I both hate and sometimes like post-movie for certain reasons.

I guess this is where I should have put this:

I'VE HAD IT WITH THIS. Just, I've had it. I've had enough of the "people who hate post-movie are idiots" topics. You guys are hypocritical and biased, and it's getting on my nerves. You complain that people who dislike post-movie don't always respect opinions. Well, if you want people who disrespect others' opinions, LOOK IN THE MIRROR! It's irritating as heck how this whole thing has gone down. Go ahead, whine and complain about how much hate this show gets, but honestly, you can't change a thing. These people have reasons, but you shoot all of the reasons down anyways. How about this: Throughout this whole time, I've actually only PRETENDED to like post-movie because of how disrespectful you guys are. Really, I HATE POST-MOVIE! Not as much as a lot of people, but still! I've had it completely with you disrespectful people. I'm not acting like every post-movie episode is bad, but honestly, if people don't like post-movie, LET THEM DISLIKE IT! IT'S THERE OPINIONS! Oh, but everyone who disagrees with us are idiots, we have to shoot them down like they deserve to die... ARE YOU GUYS LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE?!? Because if so, it's idiotic as heck. Sorry, but it really annoys me how this all works out in rules. You guys, once again, are hypocrites. Sorry if you feel I'm a biased moron who shoots your reasons down, but really, if you feel this is what the speech is saying, it's YOUR FAULT. I'm trying to be as unbiased and happy as possible, but it's not working to well, and it's because of you guys! I'm not saying everyone of you are like this, but most of you are. Ugh, just my goodness. And if you think the person writing this speech is biased, guess what? It's not a person who hates post-movie writing it. IT'S ME! SQUIDWARDISAWESOME22 IS WRITING THIS PARAGRAPH IN HIS OWN WORDS! Yep, now go ahead, deliver the biased hypocritical comments towards me. I really want to see it. Come on, deliver 'em to me. I really want to see them. I can shoot all of the "you're a biased idiot" comments down. I'm that good at this. I really can't wait to see all of these arguments. But back on topic, stop it. Just... please, stop it. Disrespecting opinions is what you're doing. YOU'RE ALL GUILTY! GUILTY AS CHARGED FOR BASHING THE PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE POST-FILM. THIS COURT FINDS ALL OF YOU GUILTY!

GUILTY!!!!!!!!!

You're all really annoying me, and if you blame me, no. Blame yourself. Blame yourself for all of these arguments that are biased, rude, and hypocritical. I never once insulted other people, or anything. But you know who did? You guys! Yep, you guys did it. It irritates me a lot that this is how respectful this forum is. I'm gonna go to a forum that respects opinions. Not an SB forum. A different forum, like, say, ONES THAT HAVE RESPECTFUL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not all of you are guilty of this, but most of you are. If you do need me, it's not happening. I'm going away for a LOOOOOOOOOONG time, and I will be active in, say...... 5 years! Ha! It's irritating as heck, like I said.


In conclusion, guys, you were lazy. Lazy in your judgement of the people who dislike post-movie, lazy in your checking on them, and lazy in your arguments towards them. You resorted to being biased, rude, hypocritical, and unfair. You also downright lied at times. Not all people who hate post-movie are the same. You guys barely did any research, showing little too no professionalism. If you like post-movie, that's fine. If you like episodes everyone else hates, that's fine. However, if you want to pass yourselves off as reliable resources, you need to do your research, find better arguments, and, oh I don't know, MAKE SURE YOU RESPECT THE PEOPLE WHO DISLIKE POST-MOVIE'S OPINIONS FIRST!!!!!!!!!

Ugh. Sorry, but I needed to get this off my chest ASAP. Now, if you need me, I'll be spending time on websites where people are much more kind.


(Yeah, I'm going to be bombarded with hate comments, but I really don't care.)

There we go, that should help.

And to answer the question, YES after YES after one trillion more yeses.